In this podcast, Rev. Ben Ingebretson, director of new church development for the Dakotas-Minnesota Area of The United Methodist Church, and Rev. Brad Kalajainen, lead pastor at Cornerstone UMC in Grand Rapids, Michigan talk about what’s required to lead change. Change is often hard and slow for congregations until they pattern a new normal. Ingebretson and Kalajainen explore trust, tipping points, and a variety of other factors that go into leading change.

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